So here is All Grain finished product number two. Northern Brewer’s Surly Bitter Brewer Pro Kit. I love big beers but this beer from Surly is one of my favorite sessionable beers ever so I was pretty damn excited to have it on tap in my house, if I did a good job that is. In the end I think I did an OK job but I knew this beer wouldn’t quite be the same right from the start. I made a really big rookie mistake when I didn’t have enough sparge water to get the wort up to 6.5 gallons like I wanted to.

Also once again to much grain got through the false bottom and into the pot even though I thought I recycled enough. Avid homebrewers is the grain in the wort the problem with the dryness in the mouthfeel? I hit my mash temps pretty much right on. Once again I didn’t use a secondary here. I just did everything on the primary and this time I cold crashed which helps out tons. I didn’t write about it but the Furious kit tasted great but I ended up not cold crashing and a ton of the hop matter got into the keg which eventually clogged up the keg. This time around, thanks to the cold crash the beer flows like a madman.
We’ve all made the “not enough sparge water” mistake. You can never have too much sparge water. And the extra hot water can be used for cleaning anyway.
Yes, grains in the kettle can DEFINITELY cause astringency, which you can perceive as “dryness in the mouthfeel.” It’s a little like sucking on a teabag, right? That is astringency, and is a result of (among other things) tannins being extracted from the grains due to the grain being at too high a temperature (especially when also at too high a pH, but the temp is the real problem here).
One low-tech way you can alleviate this problem is to collect your wort into another vessel – a bucket, another kettle, whatever. Then, let it settle for a little while (10 minutes? a half hour? not too much more than that) and rack off into your actual kettle you’re going to boil in.
Or, get a different false bottom. Personally, I batch sparge and I use a Bazooka screen. I used to use the Listermann false bottom in a picnic cooler, that worked OK but the false bottom could float and grain could get underneath it (causing your very problem). There are probably 10 different commercial false bottoms out there, and 100 homemade ones.
What are you currently using as your false bottom? What size/shape is your mash tun?
Mark,
I’m using this setup here for my Mash Tun/Hot Liquor tank
http://www.northernbrewer.com/brewing/brewing-equipment/all-grain-equipment/deluxe-ags/deluxe-ags-10-gallon.html
Yeah It’s kind of like sucking on a teabag. I don’t think it’s the temp of the mash that is the problem. Definitely think it’s the grains getting in there a bit. I think I’ll give your idea a try with racking from one vessel to the pot. Might be a stupid question but is there anyway to weight down the false bottom so it won’t float?
No, I understand that your mash temp is OK. But you’re letting some grains get into the boil kettle, which obviously gets to a higher temperature.
You really don’t want to let grain get to above 170°F (maybe a bit higher depending on pH and other stuff), or it will extract some tannins.
I used one of those orange cooler systems for a year or so, and I tended to have your same problem of the floating false bottom.
I would think you could probably add a stainless or brass coupling and nipple (huh huh, he said nipple) or something to the top of the false bottom, and then attach the hose barb elbow to that. But that’s kind of a kludge and would probably cause other unforseen problems.
Really what I would recommend is to switch to batch sparging. There are arguments both ways, but I have switched entirely to batch sparging and I will never go back to fly sparging, I think batch is easier and quicker and no less efficient on my system. Check out this:
http://hbd.org/cascade/dennybrew/
However, instead of his toilet screen dealie, I would get one of these:
http://www.northernbrewer.com/brewing/mash-boil-screen.html
I think they make similar screens that will fit the 10-gal coolers like you have, like a “t-screen” or similar. Google for “homebrew mash cooler conversion” and I’m sure you’ll get some ideas that would work for your current equipment.
Ok so let’s go through a little scenario
This weekend I’ll be making a Hefe. Grain Bill comes to 8.28 lbs. According to my trusty Sparge calculator if I’m making a 5 gallons batch the mash is going to need 2.6 gallons of water and the sparge is going to need 5.4 gallons of water. Now with batch sparging does that stay the same?
So basically I’m mashing in 2.6 gallons of water, recycling some of the wort, then cracking it wide open to get all the water out into the mash tun. While that is happening, I then heatup 5.4 gallons of water to the same degrees I would of with fly sparging, say 170 degrees? Then I dump that 5.4 gallons into the mash tun, do another recycle and let it rip again? There’s no waiting time between the time I sparge and opening up the valve like there is when you do the 60 minute mash?
Oh and when doing the sparge and adding in that 5.4 gallons are you mixing it all back in or just letting it go.
I use Beersmith to calculate stuff and make recipes (if you don’t have software, I’d recommend Beersmith, though there are other equally good choices out there).
The amounts of water should be the same between batch and fly.
To batch sparge, you recirc till clear and then crack it wide open to let it drain to your boil kettle. Then add the sparge water to the mash tun, stir it up well, after stirring I wait 5 minutes again though that really shouldn’t be necessary, recirc again, and crack it wide open to drain to the boil kettle.
With fly sparging the point is to adjust your flowrate to even out your inflow and outflow and end up with a full kettle about 60 minutes later. With batch sparging there’s no flowrate adjusting. While it can take a few minutes to do a recirc, I find that it takes me probably 20-30 minutes to fully sparge my grains and fill my kettle.
A perfect fly sparge is slightly more efficient (a few percent, equivalent to an extra half or 3/4 pound of malt) than a perfect batch sparge at getting the max amount of sugars out of the grain. However, it’s muuuuuch easier to do a perfect batch sparge (it’s pretty hard to do an imperfect batch sparge, actually) than it is to do a perfect, slow, even, fly sparge with no channelling/short circuiting. There can’t be channelling/short circuiting in a batch sparge, there usually is some in a fly sparge.
Your results may vary, but I will never go back to fly sparging again. I’m batch all the way.
Mark,
Thanks bud. I just ordered that Mash Boil Screen. I’ll see how it works out. I’ll also try batch sparging on my next batch.
Oooh, one thing I should have made clearer before, the mash boil screen won’t work correctly if you fly sparge. Well, it’ll work just fine, but you’ll have really bad efficiency, because there would be large volumes of the mash that wouldn’t have flow of sparge water.
That’s not an issue with batch, because the stirring makes the whole mash into basically one homogeneous volume.
But anyway, if you’re a masochist and end up deciding you like fly sparging better, you could use that screen in your boil kettle or probably somewhere else anyway, so it wouldn’t be a total waste. And it’s not like it’s super-expensive.
Yeah for this weekend I’m going to use my old false bottom using the batch sparge. The one I ordered won’t make it in time.